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A now-closed message board.  Founded by Bill Crittenden on September 5, 2000.  The club was closed April 7 of 2007.  The final member count was 86.

The club's description, at the time of closing, was: This is for people who love to modify/drive subcompacts-Chevrolet Chevette/Metro/Aveo, Ford Festiva/Aspire/Ka, Daewoo Lanos, Hyundai Excel/Accent, Kia Rio, Nissan NX 1600/Versa, Pontiac 1000, Toyota Tercel/Echo/Yaris, etc...


Messages

The following is a record of the club's messages.  Times are U.S. Central.

Member:  Bill Crittenden (accentgt97)
Date:  September 5, 2000
Time:  7:45 AM
Subject:  Sport Subcompacts
Message:  Welcome to the Yahoo! Message Board for Sport Subcompacts

Member:  Heidi Walczak (heidi249)
Date:  September 5, 2000
Time:  5:26 PM
Subject:  I'm Here
Message:  Do me one favor and I'll stay in your club. "for people SHO modify subcompact cars" should it be WHO??? just asking, if not fix it to whatever it should be.

Member:  Bill Crittenden (accentgt97)
Date:  September 7, 2000
Time:  6:15 PM
Subject:  Welcome everyone
Message:  And I really do mean "one." Anyway, for Heidi and me and anyone else who joins, please post a little description of your car so that I can post relevant info in the future.

Member:  Bill Crittenden (accentgt97)
Date:  September 7, 2000
Time:  6:18 PM
Subject:  Re: Welcome everyone
Message:  My car is a 1997 Hyundai Accent GT, Madras Green with a grey interior. Since the GT designation means "Gran Turismo" or "Grand Touring" in English, and also considering the complete lack of performance parts for Hyundais', I have been using universal fit electronic components to make it a more comfortable ride.

Member:  Heidi Walczak (heidi249)
Date:  September 8, 2000
Time:  6:22 PM
Subject:  This Is What I Drive
Message:  I'm currently driving a cute 1999 Plymouth Neon Expresso in a great platinum color that hides dirt very well. I'm really sure how long this car will last with me, but for now I like it. If I do decide to keep it, I'd like to install those Euro-style tail lights.

Member:  Heidi Walczak (heidi249)
Date:  September 16, 2000
Time:  9:59 AM
Subject:  Membership
Message:  We seem to have at least a few visitors each day...so how come no one is interested? I think we need to work on this B.

Member:  Bill Crittenden (accentgt97)
Date:  September 19, 2000
Time:  10:27 PM
Subject:  Re: Membership
Message:  Sorry H.G.-Haven't been tops in my things-to-do list recently, but I have a few ideas. You'll see them up soon enough.

Member:  Heidi Walczak (heidi249)
Date:  September 25, 2000
Time:  11:31 AM
Subject:  It's Cool
Message:  B. we all have priorities, and it's not like a low membership total really bothers me or anything. Besides, it's kinda cool being in an elite club.

Member:  Heidi Walczak (heidi249)
Date:  October 3, 2000
Time:  8:10 PM
Subject:  HI EVERYONE!!!
Message:  on behalf of the club i urge you to join...compact cars are pretty cool, and the founder of this club happens to know a lot about them.

Member:  Bill Crittenden (accentgt97)
Date:  October 13, 2000
Time:  1:24 PM
Subject:  Digital Camera
Message:  Within a week or two I will be getting a digital camera, so I can post photos of the cars. I'm gonna take pictures from shows and of my own car. Nude pics of Heidi249...just kidding :-)

Member:  Heidi Walczak (heidi249)
Date:  October 18, 2000
Time:  9:29 AM
Subject:  Re: Digital Camera
Message:  Hey, if my naked butt is going on-line, so is yours AccentGT97. On a brighter note, I think getting the digital camera will be a useful tool in posting pictures of your car...but what about my car? Are you going to take picture of my Neon, we both know my car is cuter than your Accent. :-)

Member:  Bill Crittenden (accentgt97)
Date:  October 18, 2000
Time:  7:48 PM
Subject:  Re: Digital Camera
Message:  Well, it's not really club material, but then I don't think there are many other people who will complain so sure. But your butt is not going up here, there are other clubs for that.

Member:  Heidi Walczak (heidi249)
Date:  October 19, 2000
Time:  12:44 AM
Subject:  Well thank you
Message:  That is exactly right, no one is going to complain, except for me if you don't put my car up here. I love you B.

Member:  Bill Crittenden (accentgt97)
Date:  October 21, 2000
Time:  7:00 PM
Subject:  Club Picture
Message:  Okay, picture thing not workin'. I have a picture of my 1997 Hyundai Accent (what else would I have with this e-mail address). I'll scan it soon, and put it up, along with some brochure pics of 1999/2000 Accents, and any other pictures of little cars I can get my hands on.

Member:  Heidi Walczak (heidi249)
Date:  October 22, 2000
Time:  12:06 AM
Subject:  Re: Club Picture
Message:  sounds good gt97, as long as you put a picture of my car in there too. i think it qualifies and if you disagree you're just be discriminatory.
:-)

Member:  Heidi Walczak (heidi249)
Date:  October 30, 2000
Time:  9:11 PM
Subject:  Anyone Have Anything To Say?
Message:  nothing personal b, but your club is a little boring...post a message, add some info, put in a pic, something...it's getting to be too quiet

Member:  Bill Crittenden (accentgt97)
Date:  November 1, 2000
Time:  6:33 AM
Subject:  Sorry...
Message:  Sorry...I have a lot of stuff on my mind, Heids. I'll get around to it. You know, YOU could post some stuff, too.

Member:  Bill Crittenden (accentgt97)
Date:  November 1, 2000
Time:  6:36 AM
Subject:  2001 Hyundai Accent
Message:  As far as I've heard from Automotive News, the 2001 Hyundai Accent will have a larger displacement engine, replacing the 1.5L SOHC that has been a standard in the Accent since its creation. The predecessor Excel also had a 1.5L engine.
No word yet as to exact specs, but I'm looking. My best estimate is the 1.8L DOHC, removed from the Elantra in favor of the 2.0L DOHC. Unless they completely engineer a new engine from the ground up, which means the actual size could be anybody's guess.

Member:  Heidi Walczak (heidi249)
Date:  November 1, 2000
Time:  8:04 AM
Subject:  Re: Sorry...
Message:  no need for apologies B...and hey, i'm not a founder,it's not my job.

Member:  Bill Crittenden (accentgt97)
Date:  November 4, 2000
Time:  2:01 AM
Subject:  2001 Hyundai Accent
Message:  New for 2001...According to Edmunds.com, the new, larger displacement engine will come on the GS (hatchback), and put out 105 hp No word as to cams (SOHC or DOHC, though I believe it to be SOHC).
This is equivalent to the 1.5L DOHC that came on the 1995-1998 Hyundai Accent GT.

What this means for Accent ownwers: The 199? Accent GTs have not lost their status as having the most horsepower of a stock Accent, they are tied (big news for me, my car is stock under the hood). I was hoping for 1.8L, but the 1.6 is acceptable, since Honda Civic's base is 1.6 SOHC. Perhaps with an even bigger engine the Accent can gain respectability with import tuners, especially with the low weight and good style.
The reason I say it is SOHC is because the 1.5L put out 105 as a DOHC, a 1.6 DOHC should put out at least 110.
This also ups the ante for the subcompact arena. The only other current subcompact with close to the same power is the Kia Rio. No word yet as to the same engine upgrade available on the Rio, as Hyundai acquired Kia some months back.

Member:  Bill Crittenden (accentgt97)
Date:  November 5, 2000
Time:  8:21 AM
Subject:  2001 Toyota Echo
Message:  From the 2001 Toyota full-line brochure. The 2001 Toyota Echo comes in 2- and 4-door models. It has a 16 valvle VVT-i engine, 4-way adjustable front seats, 14" wheels (P175/65R14 tires) and the distinctive center-mounted instrument display.
It comes in Super White, Alpine Silver Metallic, Black Sand Pearl, Electric Green Mica (Dark Green), Seafoam Blue Metallic (Light Blue), Brilliant Blue Pearl (Navy Blue), Absolutely Red and Satin Gold Metallic.
Also has multi-reflector halogen headlamps, LCD odometer w/ twin tripmeters, tilt steering wheel, dual airbags, center console storage, dual glove compartments, 4-speaker AM/FM radio, and dual front and rear cup holders.
Options include ABS, spoiler, air conditioning, rear defogger, side impact airbags, power locks, a 6-speaker CD player, and a 60/40 split rear seat, and power steering.

All things considered, a very basic, stripped-down car. Fully loaded with options, the car can get pricey, but is worth the cost to a quality conscious customer. Toyota has a legendary reputation for quality, but as the Echo is new, it is as of yet unproven.
Base cost is around $10,000 to 12,000, depending on local prices/sales, etc. that I've seen. You can get a base model Hyundai Accent for $8,000, an Elantra for $10,500, and a Chevrolet Cavalier for $10,400. If value is important, a fully loaded (A/C, CD, etc.) Accent might cost less than a stripped Echo.
In my opinion, another excellent Toyota, but not worth the price tag.

Member:  Bill Crittenden (accentgt97)
Date:  December 6, 2000
Time:  9:47 AM
Subject:  2001 Subcompact Prices
Message:  Here are prices for the 2001s...from Automotive News, November27th.

Car/Price/Auto/Air/ABS/Sunroof

Daewoo Lanos S Hatchback
$9,629/$800/$700/N-A/N-A

Daewoo Lanos Sport Hatchback
$13,429/$800/Std/N-A/N-A

Daewoo Lanos S Sedan
$10,529/$800/$700/N-A/N-A

Chevrolet Metro LSi Sedan I4(Fleet Only)
$12,915/$595/$785/N-A/N-A

Suzuki Swift GA Hatchback I4
$9,729/$650/N-A/N-A/N-A

Suzuki Swift GL Hatchback I4
$10,729/$650/Std/N-A/N-A

Toyota Echo Coupe
$10,450/$800/$925/$590/N-A

Toyota Echo Sedan
$10,980/$800/$925/$590/N-A

Hyundai Accent L Hatchback
$9,434/N-A/N-A/N-A/N-A

Hyundai Accent GS Hatchback
$9,834/$600/$750/N-A/N-A

Hyundai Accent GL Sedan
$10,334/$600/$750/N-A/N-A

Kia Rio Sedan
$9,345/$875/$750/$400/N-A

Member:  gambam97
Date:  December 8, 2000
Time:  2:34 PM
Subject:  Re: 2001 Subcompact Prices
Message:  The Rio can be had here in coldass Ohio for a meer $7500. The local dealers are selling them for $1500 under list. I got mine over a month ago for $750 off sticker and a $500 rebate.

G

Member:  Bill Crittenden (accentgt97)
Date:  December 10, 2000
Time:  3:03 PM
Subject:  1976-88 Chevrolet Chevette/Pontiac 1000
Message:  This is a little engine info from the Chilton Repair Guide.

All the gasoline models in the car are either a 1.4L (85 cu. in.) or 1.6L (98 cu. in.) inline four. It has a cast iron block, and a belt-driven overhead cam. Pistons are aluminum alloy.

Beginning in 1981, the Chevette had an optional 1.8L inline four diesel engine. The cast-iron, cross-flow cylinder head also has a pre-combustion chamber.

The April 2000 Hot Rod magazine features a 1980 Chevette with a 500 cu. in. Cadillac motor. Total cost of the car was $2,271 and went an altitude-corrected 11.98 quarter mile.

Member:  Bill Crittenden (accentgt97)
Date:  December 11, 2000
Time:  7:36 AM
Subject:  Welcome new members!
Message:  Hello y'all! Welcome to my little club. Congratulations on your purchase, Gambam, hope your Rio works out for you. Everybody please put in your message or post what kinda car you've got, what you've done to it, what you plan on doing to it, etc.

Now that we've got new members, I'll be putting up posts more often, and maybe soon some pictures.

Ok, I'll start this off. I've got a 1997 Hyundai Accent GT, dark green. So far, I haven't done much to it. Mostly, I'm putting in electronics and stuff like that rather than performance parts. I put in a power tap and a CB radio. I also took out the tape deck for a CD player. I want to get an amp and nice speakers for the trunk, and a 12V DC to 120V AC converter, so I can run stuff when camping or on long road trips.

Member:  gambam97
Date:  December 11, 2000
Time:  11:59 AM
Subject:  Re: Welcome new members!
Message:  I have a 2001 Kia Rio - Red with everything but Auto and Cd. I haven't done anything to it yet. I have three amps sitting the garage waiting for spring. Will be lowering it and doing a little work to the engine next year too. Look forward to sharing ideas and updates with everyone.

Gman

Member:  Bill Crittenden (accentgt97)
Date:  December 11, 2000
Time:  5:08 PM
Subject:  Gambam's Rio
Message:  I have manual trans, too...I prefer that in a small car like the Rio or my Accent. I like the yellow? color on the Rio...but I don't know if I'd actually buy one like that.

I'm kinda curious about the engine/trans in that car. From what I read on the sticker at the dealership, it has a 1.5L SOHC. I'm curious if it is the same engine/trans as the Accent, since Kia merged with Hyundai. But I think it was too recent for changes like that already. I've tried getting a Rio brochure from Kia, but they sent me a 2000 full-line, which is just the Sephia and Sportage.

Member:  Heidi Walczak (heidi249)
Date:  December 13, 2000
Time:  8:01 AM
Subject:  My Car
Message:  I don't know if you boys actually want to know what kind of car I drive, but because I was asked to post my stats, I will.

I drive a 1999 Plymouth Neon Expresso, it has the sport package so I got the spoiler, cute interior, nice sound system and hole in the roof. I haven't done anything to it, but AccentGT has talked about putting on the clear tail lights and colored wire coverings.

Member:  gambam97
Date:  December 13, 2000
Time:  9:08 AM
Subject:  Re: Gambam's Rio
Message:  I don't think Hyundai/Kia mix will happen till the next generation of cars. And by then if Hyundai keeps growing and the XG and the Santa Fe are hits they will most likely stop selling the Accent here to help their more higher end image, and keep Kia as their cheaper costing cars.

Gman

Member:  Bill Crittenden (accentgt97)
Date:  December 13, 2000
Time:  3:10 PM
Subject:  Accent/Rio
Message:  I don't think Hyundai will ever give up on the Accent, unless it is to a new redesign with a new name.

The subcompact market doesn't have a lot of competition. You have the Accent, Rio, Echo, Metro/Swift and Lanos. Compared to, say, the SUV market, the subcompact market is open.

What they probably will do is what GM does with the Cavalier/Sunfire. The companies have two distinctive, different "looks", Hyundai with the creased edges, and Kia with round lines and lights.

Anyway, to cut costs, they will probably share drivetrain, if not platform. The interior might also be the same in the next generation. Same options packages, same parts around the car. But different sheet metal, to reflect the two styles.

Member:  Bill Crittenden (accentgt97)
Date:  December 13, 2000
Time:  3:28 PM
Subject:  New Subcompacts
Message:  Anyway, now that I think of it, the subcompact market is a little more open these days. We only have that handful of new cars. This is good for anybody in the business, since they don't have the same stiff competition as the SUV market, even though the prfoit margins are less.

But for the fans, we might like a few new cars.

Anyone ever seen the Ford Ka? It's their European subcompact. Think Aspire-sized Focus hatchback.

Also, GM has their own European subcompact, built by them instead of Suzuki. It's called the Chevrolet Celta.

BMW will get into the hame with the BWM Mini Cooper. But this will cost around $17,000, not quite in the same price range as a Daewoo Lanos.

The Kia Avella. This was the Ford Aspire, built by Kia and rebadged as Ford. They also came in 5-door, but never sold by Ford.

Honda sells a few products smaller than the Civic, with 3-cylinder engines. Some of them come with 4 cylinders as an option. This would be an awesome prospect for serious tuners, because of the low weight (even less than Civic) and Honda's aftermarket support would keep those of us less serious about racing happy.

An all-new Mazda 323.

Since subcompacts sometimes look like shrunken compacts, think of the potential for smaller versions of these cars: Nissan Sentra, Dodge Neon, Mitsubishi Mirage, Mazda Protege.

Maybe when the economy finally dips into recession, we might see a few more subcompacts on the roads here. Maybe the fuel crisis will continue, and monster SUVs will go out of style. One can only hope...when you consider people using three gallons of premium to get their Suburban to the store, and espcially when you think of a 2001 Ford Ka in a tangle with a Ford Excursion.

-Bill

Member:  Bill Crittenden (accentgt97)
Date:  January 3, 2001
Time:  7:20 PM
Subject:  Kia Rio
Message:  A small bit of news on the Kia Rio from Automotive News...word is that there will be a Kia Rio station wagon offered this year or next...no pictures or other information available yet.

Member:  Bill Crittenden (accentgt97)
Date:  January 8, 2001
Time:  7:51 PM
Subject:  2001 Kia Rio
Message:  I ordered a 2001 Kia Rio brochure. I dod not receive it, but I did get a 2001 full-line brochure, and here is what it's got on the 2001 Kia Rio:

1.5L DOHC inline four cylinder
96 hp @ 5,800 RPM
98 lb-ft @ 4,500 RPM

5-speed manual standard
4-speed automatic (optional)

Rack and pinion steering
Power steering (optional)
Tilt steering wheel (optional)

4-wheel ABS (optional)

P175/70 R13 tires
P175/65 R14 tires (optional)
Alloy wheels (optional)
Full wheel covers (optional)

Body color side molding (optional)
Dual remote mirrors

Rear Defroster
Air conditioning (optional)

AM/FM/Cassette stereo (optional)
AM/FM/CD Stereo (optional)

Driver's 8-way manual adjustable seat
Full cloth seat trim

Dual vanity mirrors with covers (optional)
Dual cupholders

Member:  Heidi Walczak (heidi249)
Date:  January 9, 2001
Time:  6:46 PM
Subject:  Re: 2001 Kia Rio
Message:  The Rio is pretty cute, do you know what colors it comes in?

Member:  Bill Crittenden (accentgt97)
Date:  January 9, 2001
Time:  6:51 AM
Subject:  Re: 2001 Kia Rio
Message:  I've not yet seen the color palette because I did not get the right brochure, but I've seen them in light blue, red, and that intertesting shade of yellow.

Member:  Bill Crittenden (accentgt97)
Date:  February 25, 2001
Time:  3:35 PM
Subject:  Hyundai Accent Engines
Message:  I finally have confirmed information from the 2001 Hyundai full line brochure regarding the new engine upgrade for the Hyundai Accent GS and GL.

The base engine is, as always, a 1.5L SOHC putting out 92hp.

The new engine for the GS and GL is a 1.6L DOHC putting out 105hp.

The engine for the older Accent GTs was a 1.5L DOHC putting out 105hp, the same horsepower as the new GS/GL engine but with less displacement. Either the GT engine is better tuned or perhaps the new engine has better torque.

Member:  Bill Crittenden (accentgt97)
Date:  March 13, 2001
Time:  12:39 PM
Subject:  Daewoo Lanos
Message:  This is from the Daewoo 2001 full-line brochure. There are three types of Lanos: the sedan S, hatchback S and hatchback Sport.

Both S versions have almost the same options:

Air conditioning (optional)

Code-protected audio system
AM/FM ETR Stereo w/cassette
AM/FM ETR Stereo w/cassette and in-dash CD (package option)

Power windows (package option)
Power door locks (package option)
Heated power outside rear-view mirrors (package option)

Dual airbags
Tilt steering wheel (package option)

Reclining front bucket seats with driver's seat height adjustment
Shoulder-height adjustable front seat belts
Rear child seat tether anchors
60/40 split rear seat

185/60R14 w/14" steel wheels w/full covers
Power assist front disc/rear drum brakes

Rear wiper/washer (hatchback only)

1.6L DOHC 16V E-TEC engine
105hp @5800 RPM
106 ft/lb at 3400 RPM

5 speed manual (standard)
4 speed automatic (optional)

Power steering

Member:  Bill Crittenden (accentgt97)
Date:  March 13, 2001
Time:  12:44 PM
Subject:  Daewoo Lanos Colors
Message:  The S comes in:
Galaxy White
Pacific Blue Mica (midnight blue)
Deep Bluish Green Mica
Red Rock Mica (dark red)
Poly Silver Metallic

The Lanos Sport comes in:
Super Red
Grenada Black Mica

Member:  Bill Crittenden (accentgt97)
Date:  March 13, 2001
Time:  12:46 PM
Subject:  Daewoo Lanos Mileage
Message:  With 5-speed manual transmission the Daewoo Lanos gets 26/36, with the 4-speed automatic it gets 23/34.

Member:  Bill Crittenden (accentgt97)
Date:  March 13, 2001
Time:  12:46 PM
Subject:  Daewoo Lanos Colors
Message:  The S comes in:
Galaxy White
Pacific Blue Mica (midnight blue)
Deep Bluish Green Mica
Red Rock Mica (dark red)
Poly Silver Metallic

The Lanos Sport comes in:
Super Red
Grenada Black Mica

Member:  Bill Crittenden (accentgt97)
Date:  March 13, 2001
Time:  12:46 PM
Subject:  Daewoo Lanos
Message:  This is from the Daewoo 2001 full-line brochure. There are three types of Lanos: the sedan S, hatchback S and hatchback Sport.

Both S versions have almost the same options:

Air conditioning (optional)

Code-protected audio system
AM/FM ETR Stereo w/cassette
AM/FM ETR Stereo w/cassette and in-dash CD (package option)

Power windows (package option)
Power door locks (package option)
Heated power outside rear-view mirrors (package option)

Dual airbags
Tilt steering wheel (package option)

Reclining front bucket seats with driver's seat height adjustment
Shoulder-height adjustable front seat belts
Rear child seat tether anchors
60/40 split rear seat

185/60R14 w/14" steel wheels w/full covers
Power assist front disc/rear drum brakes

Rear wiper/washer (hatchback only)

1.6L DOHC 16V E-TEC engine
105hp @5800 RPM
106 ft/lb at 3400 RPM

5 speed manual (standard)
4 speed automatic (optional)

Power steering

Member:  Bill Crittenden (accentgt97)
Date:  August 30, 2001
Time:  6:41 PM
Subject:  13 second Ford Festiva?!?!
Message:  In this month's issue of Sport Compact Car there is an article about a 1990 Ford Festiva with a turbocharged 1.6L Mazda engine running in the 13's in the quarter mile.

Member:  jmsmathis
Date:  October 10, 2001
Time:  11:17 PM
Subject:  whats up
Message:  i saw that article on that ford fiesta it looks prety cool for a fiesta and he used parts from other cars to make his better,great idea i own a kia sephia who kicks hondas ass all the time....

Member:  jmsmathis
Date:  October 10, 2001
Time:  11:18 PM
Subject:  ?
Message:  what kind of car do you have?

Member:  Heidi Walczak (heidi249)
Date:  October 19, 2001
Time:  2:44 PM
Subject:  My Car
Message:  Well my car does not fit into the "Sport Subcompact" category, but I will tell you anyway. I drive a 2001 Silver PT Cruiser. It's not a compact car, but it is sporty in it's own little ways.

Member:  scourge2u
Date:  November 8, 2001
Time:  8:31 AM
Subject:  Re: My Car - PT Cruiser
Message:  You know there is a place that puts Cadilalc NORTHSTAR engines into PT Cruisers right? Just go to YAHOO and type in Cadillac+Northstar+engine+swaps.

You'll be pleasantly surprised.

Member:  get69laid69
Date:  March 30, 2002
Time:  1:49 PM
Subject:  Toyota Echo
Message:  Does anyone here know how to get more power out of my toyota echo

Member:  fukmehard76634
Date:  April 25, 2002
Time:  2:01 PM
Subject:  Lanos sport hatchback
Message:  I just got a new Lanos sport Hatchback. I need to find some aftermarket proformance parts for the car. If any one knows where to find them or any let me know. Also if any one knows any tips or tricks on the lanos.
Thanks Matthew

Member:  peterblaise
Date:  April 26, 2002
Time:  5:17 PM
Subject:  Daewoo Believer's message to GM ..
Message:  Hello,

I hope this note does not interrupt your Yahoo group discussions.

Here is a note I sent to GM and their response. Since GM may be buying Daewoo Motors ... well, if you want to tell them what you as a Daewoo Believer want from your Daewoo Experience, please start at:

http://www.gm.com/contact_us/contact_us_form.html?corpserv=other&goserv.x=10&gos\erv.y=8

Make sure you get the entire long line above cut and pasted into your browser!

-- GM's note: --

Subject: Re: Contact GM Corp. - other
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 18:46:54 -0400
From: GM Internet Response Center
To: Peter Blaise Monahon

Dear Mr. Monahon,

Thank you for contacting General Motors. We appreciate your enthusiasm in Daewoo.

Your suggestions will help us provide the quality products and services you expect from General Motors. Comments, from current and prospective customers, keep us aware of customer expectations.

Thank you for contacting General Motors and your enthusiasm in Daewoo.

Sincerely,

Niran Subedi
Customer Relationship Manager
Pontiac Customer Assistance Center

-- Original message follows: --


Name: Peter Blaise Monahon E-mail Address: peterblaise@yahoogroups.com

Message:

I'm a Daewoo Believer - and I'm watching hopefully as the prospects for Daewoo's continued presence and support in the US, and the promise for future Daewoo cars that I'd like to purchase right here in the US, appear to be in your hands.

I believe that Daewoo has done some important things very differently, and that's why I am the proud owner of a Daewoo automobile.

They appear to have trusted Ital Design to design cars that are both uniquely appealing and functional, and they apparently have created one heck of a quality production system.

I'm 50 years old and have never seen such high quality at such a good market price as Daewoo offers, and others seem to agree.

I say, "Buy in, leave 'em alone, and Daewoo will continue to march forward here in the US and worldwide to return a very healthy reward for your investment in them."

Thank you. Peter Blaise

-- end of GM and Peter Blaise note --

So, enjoy your Daewoo's, and let GM know what YOU want! Thanks!

Peter Blaise

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Member:  peterblaise
Date:  April 26, 2002
Time:  5:26 PM
Subject:  Re: Lanos sport hatchback
Message:  sportsubcompacts@yahoogroups.com wrote:


> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:01:57 -0000
> From: "fukmehard76634"
> Subject: Lanos sport hatchback
>
> I just got a new [Daewoo] Lanos sport [3 door?] Hatchback. I need [...NEED?] to find some after market performance parts for the car. If any one knows where to find them or any let me know. Also if any one knows any tips or tricks on the lanos. Thanks Matthew

--

Hi Matthew,

The simple answer? Check with others at the Daewoo groups within Yahoo! - go to

http://groups.yahoo.com

and search for

Daewoo

and you'll find all the links you need - each of the many Daewoo groups (31 at last count) has a links/bookmarks page with references to the speed-mods they prefer, and of course, if you join you can review the messages already shared and ask people what they think of the mods they've already made.

Also, go to

http://www.google.com

and enter

the name of the part you are after (such as "headers") plus Daewoo (or Hyundai, which is more popular)

such as

Daewoo Lanos headers

Daewoo Lanos exhaust

Daewoo Lanos mags

and so on, or just enter

korean auto parts

and Google will show you lots of places to start.

--

The long answer, and probably more insightful answer is to ask you some questions back:

Tell us a little more about what you like and enjoy and know about your new car's performance and how it matches your driving style and expectations ...

... and then tell us a little more about what you'd like to improve and enhance to make your car even more satisfactory for your preferences.

(... for instance, I like a quiet car, so a loud exhaust wouldn't be right for me, but compared to the steel wheel son my car, mag wheels would lighten my car's unsprung weight and provide a smoother ride and longer life from my car's suspension parts and tires!)

So, Matthew, tell us more!

G'luck,

Peter Blaise

--


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Member:  fukmehard76634
Date:  May 2, 2002
Time:  1:25 PM
Subject:  Re: Lanos sport hatchback
Message:  I want about 2or 3 hundred horse power out of the car. I will be raceing it. That is why I paid 12thousond cash for it. I have always built and raced v8's but this will be my first 4 banger..
Hope this helps.--- In sportsubcompacts@y..., "peterblaise@y..."
wrote:
>
> sportsubcompacts@y... wrote:
>
> > Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:01:57 -0000
> > From: "fukmehard76634"
> > Subject: Lanos sport hatchback
> >
> > I just got a new [Daewoo] Lanos sport [3 door?] Hatchback. I need
> [...NEED?] to find some after market performance parts for the car. If
> any one knows where to find them or any let me know. Also if any one
> knows any tips or tricks on the lanos. Thanks Matthew
>
> --
>
> Hi Matthew,
>
> The simple answer? Check with others at the Daewoo groups within
> Yahoo! - go to
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com
>
> and search for
>
> Daewoo
>
> and you'll find all the links you need - each of the many Daewoo groups
> (31 at last count) has a links/bookmarks page with references to the
> speed-mods they prefer, and of course, if you join you can review the
> messages already shared and ask people what they think of the mods
> they've already made.
>
> Also, go to
>
> http://www.google.com
>
> and enter
>
> the name of the part you are after (such as "headers") plus Daewoo
> (or Hyundai, which is more popular)
>
> such as
>
> Daewoo Lanos headers
>
> Daewoo Lanos exhaust
>
> Daewoo Lanos mags
>
> and so on, or just enter
>
> korean auto parts
>
> and Google will show you lots of places to start.
>
> --
>
> The long answer, and probably more insightful answer is to ask you
> some questions back:
>
> Tell us a little more about what you like and enjoy and
> know about your new car's performance and how it matches your
> driving style and expectations ...
>
> ... and then tell us a little more about what you'd like
> to improve and enhance to make your car even more satisfactory
> for your preferences.
>
> (... for instance, I like a quiet car, so a loud exhaust
> wouldn't be right for me, but compared to the steel wheel son
> my car, mag wheels would lighten my car's unsprung weight and
> provide a smoother ride and longer life from my car's
> suspension parts and tires!)
>
> So, Matthew, tell us more!
>
> G'luck,
>
> Peter Blaise
>
> --
>
> Peter Blaise Monahon - NEW EMAIL: peterblaise@y...
> APC American Personal Computing
> - High Tech Support in Plain Language since 1969
> 5426 A Roanoke Avenue
> Alexandria, Virginia (VA) 22311 US
> Voice/Message 703-845-1556 24 hours a day
> http://www.peterblaise.com
> http://www.minoltaphotography.com
> http://www.geocities.com/minolta507si600si650si
> ... and now appearing at
http://www.geocities.com/peterblaisephotography
>
> and http://www.geocities.com/daewoolanoshatchback

Member:  peterblaise
Date:  May 4, 2002
Time:  5:34 AM
Subject:  Re: Lanos sport hatchback
Message:  > From: "fukmehard76634"
> Subject: Re: Lanos sport hatchback
>
> I want about 2 or 3 hundred horse power out of the car. I will be
> raceing it. That is why I paid 12 thousond cash for it. I have always
> built and raced v8's but this will be my first 4 banger ...
> Hope this helps...

> > >From: "fukmehard76634"
> > > ... I just got a new [Daewoo] Lanos sport [3 door?] Hatchback. I need
> [...NEED?] to find some after market performance parts for the car. If any
> one knows where to find them or any let me know. Also if any one knows any
> tips or tricks on the lanos. Thanks Matthew

> > Peterblaise@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> > ... Check with others at the Daewoo groups within Yahoo! - go to
> http://groups.yahoo.com and search for "Daewoo" and you'll find all the
> links you need - each of the many Daewoo groups (31 at last count) has a
> links/bookmarks page with references to the speed-mods they prefer, and of
> course, if you join you can review the messages already shared and ask
> people what they think of the mods they've already made ...
> > ... Also, go to http://www.google.com and enter the name of the part you
> are after (such as "headers") plus "Daewoo" (or Hyundai, which is more
> popular) such as "Daewoo Lanos headers" ...
> > ... Tell us a little more about what you like and enjoy and know about
> your new car's performance and how it matches your driving style and
> expectations ...
> > ... and then tell us a little more about what you'd like to improve and
> enhance to make your car even more satisfactory for your preferences ...

COOL!

I hope you found the header resources, turbo and supercharger resources, camshaft resources, ECM resources, and body and chassis mod resources you're probably looking for in your searches at http://groups.yahoo.com and http://www.google.com

I'm still curious, though, is there anything about the car (that is, it's features and benefits) that you find valuable to you, and that you find worth sharing here?

So far we know that it cost you only $12,000 that it has less than 200 horsepower.

Is there more?

Peter Blaise



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Member:  fukmehard76634
Date:  May 4, 2002
Time:  10:49 AM
Subject:  Re: Lanos sport hatchback
Message:  I realy love to drive the car. It is a fun little car to drive it handles like a go-cart. Reminds me of the good old days as a kid raceing around. the inside of the car is nice it has read and black leather seats and shifter and sterring wheel. I do wish it had a little more oick up power. But once you get it going it gos. I am only getting about 21 to 22 miles per gallin of gas. I do how ever wish that the tank was bigger then 10 gallens. The car is really cute. And a lot of people look at it and say cool car. what is it. I just lol and say its a whoo... Over all the car is a very very good car for the money. I do have a (Q) I have about 600 miles on it and when I start slowing down the car shakes in the frount end. Tell me the roters cant be worped allready. Well my over all take on the car is it is 12,000 dollers well spent and will give me years of fun and enjoyment... My advice is every one should have one shoot maby two of them.
Thanks for you help.

--- In sportsubcompacts@y..., "peterblaise@y..." wrote:
> > From: "fukmehard76634"
> > Subject: Re: Lanos sport hatchback
> >
> > I want about 2 or 3 hundred horse power out of the car. I will be
> > raceing it. That is why I paid 12 thousond cash for it. I have always
> > built and raced v8's but this will be my first 4 banger ...
> > Hope this helps...
>
> > > >From: "fukmehard76634"
> > > > ... I just got a new [Daewoo] Lanos sport [3 door?] Hatchback. I need
> > [...NEED?] to find some after market performance parts for the car. If any
> > one knows where to find them or any let me know. Also if any one knows any
> > tips or tricks on the lanos. Thanks Matthew
>
> > > Peterblaise@y... wrote:
> > > ... Check with others at the Daewoo groups within Yahoo! - go to
> > http://groups.yahoo.com and search for "Daewoo" and you'll find all the
> > links you need - each of the many Daewoo groups (31 at last count) has a
> > links/bookmarks page with references to the speed-mods they prefer, and of
> > course, if you join you can review the messages already shared and ask
> > people what they think of the mods they've already made ...
> > > ... Also, go to http://www.google.com and enter the name of the part you
> > are after (such as "headers") plus "Daewoo" (or Hyundai, which is more
> > popular) such as "Daewoo Lanos headers" ...
> > > ... Tell us a little more about what you like and enjoy and know about
> > your new car's performance and how it matches your driving style and
> > expectations ...
> > > ... and then tell us a little more about what you'd like to improve and
> > enhance to make your car even more satisfactory for your preferences ...
>
> COOL!
>
> I hope you found the header resources, turbo and supercharger resources,
> camshaft resources, ECM resources, and body and chassis mod resources you're
> probably looking for in your searches at http://groups.yahoo.com and
> http://www.google.com
>
> I'm still curious, though, is there anything about the car (that is, it's
> features and benefits) that you find valuable to you, and that you find
> worth sharing here?
>
> So far we know that it cost you only $12,000 that it has less than 200
> horsepower.
>
> Is there more?
>
> Peter Blaise
>
>
>
> --
>
> Peter Blaise Monahon - peterblaise@y...
> APC American Personal Computing
> - High Tech Support in Plain Language since 1969
> 5426 A Roanoke Avenue
> Alexandria, Virginia (VA) 22311 US
> Voice/Message 703-845-1556 24 hours a day
> http://www.peterblaise.com
> http://www.minoltaphotography.com
> http://www.geocities.com/photographywashingtondc
> http://www.geocities.com/minolta507si600si650si
> ... and now appearing at http://www.geocities.com/peterblaisephotography
> and http://www.geocities.com/daewoolanoshatchback


Member:  fukmehard76634
Date:  May 8, 2002
Time:  7:57 AM
Subject:  Turbos for the Lanos
Message:  I have found a company that will make a turbo system for the Lanos. He is the only company that will make it or has it. The catch is befor he will make it he has to have 5 people that want it and have $1800 dollers a person to spend on the turbo set up. So i am looking for some people that will want to do it.

If you want in on this E-Mail me and let me know fukmehard76634@yahoo.com


Member:  lanosmaniac
Date:  May 8, 2002
Time:  9:28 PM
Subject:  lanos maniac
Message:  for every person looking for daewoo lanos altezza clear lights:

hdkautosport.com said they would offer them if they got enough requests so lets all send mail to Info@HDKAutosport.Com also check out the page to find great performance and enhancement products for any daewoo, hyundai or kia car


Member:  peterblaise
Date:  May 12, 2002
Time:  7:42 AM
Subject:  Daewoo UK reorganizing and on the move!!
Message:  Daewoo UK reorganizing and on the move!!

from http://www.daewoo-cars.co.uk/daewoo2002/default.asp

1 May 2002

content removed

-- end of quote --


... so, just because a local Daewoo Importer/Distributor is NOT included in the GM deal doesn't mean they are necessarily out of business or out of the picture. What is Daewoo US doing about their, and OUR, future?

Let's all get proactive! Tell 'em what we want!!!

Okay, my fellow US Daewoo Believers, why don't we all go to http://www.daewoocars.com/DLindex.asp and find one or more local (or distant) dealers and ask them directly (their email addresses are listed!) what are their plans to support us (and have access to our future dollars!)? Email broadcasts are easy, so why not hit ALL Daewoo US dealers?

We're here. We're Daewoo. Get used to it!

Peter Blaise - Daewoo Believer

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Member:  peterblaise
Date:  May 23, 2002
Time:  4:38 PM
Subject:  Re: how to check the gearbox [presumably MANUAL shift] oil level in
Message:  Mugur Vasilie wrote:

> ... Hy, I want to know how can I check the gearbox oil level at Cielo
> Gl (SOHC)? With thanks, Mugur ...

Hi Mugur Vasilie,

Thanks for asking, but I've never seen a Daewoo Cielo Gl (SOHC), so let's ask ALL the Yahoo! Daewoo groups, and maybe someone will help you out.

By the way, what does your local dealer say? Here in the US, dealers insert a suck pipe and pull out the old manual transmission oil and then squirt in new stuff - there are no drain taps anymore. For automatic transmissions, they drop the pan to drain it. How to check the level before transmission oil change time? Good question!

Also, Mugur, tell us if your car is an AUTO or MANUAL gearbox, okay? Join at http://groups.yahoo.com and search for "daewoo" and select one of the groups cc:'d in this email to join and connect with your fellow Daewoo enthusiasts, okay?

So, Yahoo! Daewoo gang:


Mugur Vasilie wants to know how to check the gearbox [presumably MANUAL shift] oil level in a Daewoo Cielo Gl (SOHC)?


Good luck,

Peter Blaise

PS - Mugur, how'd you find ME, and where in the world are you?

--


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http://www.geocities.com/daewoolanoshatchback


Member:  peterblaise
Date:  May 29, 2002
Time:  8:32 AM
Subject:  Daewoo discussions at Shark Racing http://www.teamsr.org
Message:  FYI For Your Information:

... a bunch of discussion topics at http://www.teamsr.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=33&DaysPrune=1000&submi\t=Go

... go to the above web page to pursue any of these


Daewoo

Auto Shift Knob Bringrice 4 May 28, 2002 12:17 PM

Any Daewoos with Nitrous? yamaneko 7 May 28, 2002 12:14 PM

Daewoo Nubira Kit yamaneko 9 May 27, 2002 02:28 PM

Lanos Bulbs Bringrice 4 May 26, 2002 08:34 PM

Where can I find... WooThis 9 May 26, 2002 04:16 PM

Dropping a Korando Engine in my Lanos Bringrice 0 May 26, 2002 11:46 AM

Cold Air Intake for Lanos Bringrice 0 May 26, 2002 01:27 AM

Mission for Daewoo Owners who want body kits yamaneko 32 May 25, 2002 09:01 PM

I got the Lanos Speaker Dimensions WooThis 0 May 25, 2002 01:20 PM

SR Cat-back blinkme323 4 May 23, 2002 10:58 AM

rev limit danwaglanos01 5 May 23, 2002 10:53 AM

How to make Good Looking altezzas to your Daewoo Lanos !!!!! Tiburon Racer 4 May 21, 2002 08:50 AM

Shocks/inserts Mike Free 3 May 21, 2002 05:04 AM

Reverse gear... WooThis 4 May 20, 2002 12:41 PM

ATT: Inexpensive high quality Turbo for ALL Daewoo Lanos!!! Bringrice 9 May 18, 2002 10:09 PM

01 lanos sport almost blows up derty daewoo sport racer 23 May 16, 2002 06:37 PM

Here is one for all you woo owners AUTOBOT 1 May 16, 2002 12:59 AM

New father... Bringrice 3 May 16, 2002 12:56 AM

Warranty problems Sean 2 May 15, 2002 11:53 AM

Lanos supercharger?!?! danwaglanos01 0 May 14, 2002 03:32 PM

SPY PHOTO OF NEW DAEWOO!!! Concept 4 May 14, 2002 01:28 PM

WHY NOT A FREAKIN' 4 DOOR? Hankook_Accent 2 May 12, 2002 07:43 PM

what are the best tires and rims for a daewoo? Hankook_Accent 0 May 12, 2002 06:24 PM

NOS for woo? Bringrice 4 May 11, 2002 06:32 AM

Performance struts/shocks for Leganza Mike Free 7 May 09, 2002 12:10 PM

Cheap Daewoo Mods Bringrice 4 May 09, 2002 08:42 AM

Lanos Resonator Removal danwaglanos01 3 May 08, 2002 10:09 PM

Best sites for our Woo's WooThis 5 May 07, 2002 10:20 AM

5 Door Lanos drnext 1 May 07, 2002 08:16 AM

MAP of MAF agenteight 0 May 06, 2002 07:21 PM

$400 Twin Turbo customized for Daewoo Lanos! Bringrice 1 May 06, 2002 02:48 PM

WHAT DAEWOO DO YOU DRIVE yamaneko 0 May 05, 2002 02:48 PM

found performance clutch for lanos derty daewoo sport racer 2 May 03, 2002 03:09 PM

New Lanos Kit Available.... yamaneko 7 April 29, 2002 09:09 PM

Coilovers underdog 4 April 29, 2002 03:35 PM

HX rims on a Lanos agenteight 5 April 29, 2002 02:55 PM

Maybe this should be in engine but.......... rallykid 0 April 27, 2002 05:19 PM

New Nubira Kit Available... yamaneko 0 April 25, 2002 10:50 PM

Rev limiter agenteight 6 April 24, 2002 02:22 PM

Intakes for woo's woowoo 7 April 24, 2002 06:08 AM



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http://www.geocities.com/minoltadimagex
http://www.geocities.com/minoltphotographybookclub
http://www.geocities.com/minoltphotostudentsandteachers
http://www.geocities.com/peterblaisephotography

http://www.geocities.com/daewoolanoshatchback


Member:  peterblaise
Date:  May 29, 2002
Time:  4:37 PM
Subject:  Yet another Daewoo discussion group at http://pub15.ezboard.com/bdae
Message:  Yet another Daewoo discussion group at http://pub15.ezboard.com/bdaewoo57695

Here's a sample of the front page, go to the above link to pursue any of these topics:

Daewoo

General
General Daewoo discussion.

Tuning
CAI, Exhaust, Turbo, Cams, or anything else that might speed the car up, post here.

Suspension
Question or comment about springs, struts or otherwise? If so, post up.

Appearance and Body
Body kits, window tinting, etc...

For Sale
Have something to sale?

Wanted To Buy
Whether you are looking for some springs or a Playstation, post here and see what happens.

Off Topic and Flames
From Drew Carey to Britney Spears, to how much you hate telatubbies.

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http://www.geocities.com/minoltadimagex
http://www.geocities.com/minoltphotographybookclub
http://www.geocities.com/minoltphotostudentsandteachers
http://www.geocities.com/peterblaisephotography
http://www.geocities.com/daewoolanoshatchback


Member:  advocatepansy
Date:  June 9, 2002
Time:  12:37 AM
Subject:  A little more
Message:  I was wondering if anyone knew if there a turbo that will work on my 1999 Chevrolet Metro 993cc 3 cylinder 5-speed.

Randy.


Member:  freeway122784
Date:  June 13, 2002
Time:  9:11 PM
Subject:  Anyone with a Hyundai Accent!!!! Interested in Modifications??
Message:  How's it going??

I own a 2002 Hyundai Accent GL, and am currently modifying it. If anyone knows of any places where I can get any body kits for my car I would really apprecitate it if you would let me know.

My name is Mandy and I'm willing to chat as well :)


Member:  quinndafer83854
Date:  September 4, 2002
Time:  10:45 PM
Subject:  New to the group
Message:  Hello,
My name is Quinn and I just wanted to say hi to the group. I just bought a 2002 Kia Spectra in July and was intrested in doing some performance modifications to it. So I do welcome any information that anyone can offer and I look foward to contributing the the group the best I can.

Quinn
02 Kia Spectra


Member:  fordaspiresvt
Date:  September 15, 2002
Time:  1:03 PM
Subject:  Aspire SVT Web Page
Message:  Come one, Come ALL

Check out my Web Page at Cardomain.com

http://www.cardomain.com/id/aspiresvt

Please Vote at the top of my page and sign my guestbook with what you think.

Thanks

Tim


Member:  fordaspiresvt
Date:  September 15, 2002
Time:  1:04 PM
Subject:  Aspire SVT Web Page
Message:  Come one, Come ALL

Check out my Web Page at Cardomain.com

http://www.cardomain.com/id/aspiresvt

Please Vote at the top of my page and sign my guestbook with what you think.

Thanks

Tim


Member:  JavierMaldonado
Date:  September 20, 2002
Time:  7:56 AM
Subject:  Hey-88 Hyundai Excel
Message:  Hey I Have an 1988 Hyundai Excel GL Sedan, and i want to hook it up and make it go faster, is there any tips, so far i have but Bosch Spark Plugs Plus 4's and a Bosh Wire Set, i also added a K&N Filter, and an exhaust tip if you would like to see me car it is att car domain here is the web address http://members.cardomain.com/jaym026
Lemme know what you think.

Member:  sandman145365
Date:  January 1, 2003
Time:  10:27 PM
Subject:  chevette wanted in ohio
Message:  hello group,i am looking for a 2 door chevette in good exterior condition to put a v6 in.or if anyone has a chevette that already has a v6 in it i have a 1990 geo metro lsi with 77,000 miles on it that i am willing to trade. the chevette doesnt necessarily have to have a v6 in it if the body is solid and it runs good with the 4 banger that way i can drive it till i save up enough to install a 6 cyl.thanks abunch and if int. email me at sandman145365@yahoo.com.thanks again ,chria,wapakoneta ohio

Member:  ovationmusic2000
Date:  February 9, 2003
Time:  2:08 PM
Subject:  Chevie Metro
Message:  Hi all, Could anyone tell me if the Metro is made by Toyota, I have heard yes and no. Thanks Doug

Member:  Peter Blaise Monahon (peterblaise)
Date:  February 10, 2003
Time:  4:18 AM
Subject:  Re: Chevie Metro
Message:  Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 20:08:05 -0000
From: vationmusic2000 medoug@msn.com
Subject: Chevie Metro
Hi all, Could anyone tell me if the Metro is made by Toyota, I have heard yes and no.

--

Hi Doug,

GEO, it's not a Chevie, it's a Geo.

Suziki/GM makes the Geo Metro and Chevy Tracker

Toyota/GM makes the Geo Prizm.

Isuzu/GM makes the .. someone help me out here ...

Saab/GM makes the Saab.

Fuji/Subaru/GM makes Subaru.

Daewoo/GM makes Daewoo.

Opel/GM makes the Opel and the Cadilac Catera.

Holden/GM makes Holden.

Fiat/GM will make Fiat.

Saturn/GM makes Saturn.

Vauxhall/GM makes Vauxhall.

Allison/GM makes transmissions for anyone.

... and so on.

Did you browse http://www.gm.com/ to explore for your self? What's the source of your question, Doug?

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Member:  HeavyMetl420@aol.com
Date:  April 15, 2003
Time:  5:42 PM
Subject:  help
Message:  Anyone know where i can get aftermarket parts for a 90 Hyundia Excel, like spoilers, body kits, rims, cold air intakes, etc. thanks


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Member:  Peter Blaise Monahon (peterblaise)
Date:  May 6, 2003
Time:  7:28 AM
Subject:  Re: Daewoo Service Info Online Offer for $10
Message:  Chris,

You can sell directly to us Daewoo Believers using Pay Pal rather than requiring us to register and "bid" through the pain of ebay motors.

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> Mon, 5 May 2003
> From: Chris Khacherian ckhacherian@filenet.com ckhacherian @ filenet.com
> Subject: Daewoo Service Manual
>
> Leganza:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2414119952&category=6762

>
> Nubira:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2414120958&category=6762

>
> Lanos:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2414120807&category=6762



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Member:  festivamanforever
Date:  September 17, 2003
Time:  9:44 PM
Subject:  Re: Chevie Metro
Message:  Well actually there is a chevy metro.From my recolection it is the newier ones.

Member:  markabradford
Date:  October 25, 2003
Time:  7:42 AM
Subject:  1991 Ford Festiva FOR SALE !!
Message:  http://www.geocities.com/markabradford/festiva.html

Member:  rowentrynb
Date:  November 24, 2003
Time:  9:05 AM
Subject:  IF YOU WANT TO SELL CAR PARTS AND ACCESSORIES
Message:  Check out this place for Auctions and Fixed price Sales (No listing fee).

I personally liked the amazing : "AUTO-RELIST UNTIL SOLD" option.



http://www.check-it-out-here.org



Fred


Member:  Peter Blaise Monahon (peterblaise)
Date:  December 2, 2003
Time:  3:55 PM
Subject:  Re: Daewoo help
Message:  > s... wrote directly
> to Peter Blaise:
>
> Hi,
>
> I was just wondering if
> you still like Daewoos.
>
> I am trying to deal with
> owning a 2000 Nubira CDX
> Wagon with 37,000 miles
> on it.
>
> Do you have advice?
>
> I heard there was a
> buyback for cars under
> 55,000.
>
> But can't find any info.
>

Hi S...,

I like Daewoo, sure, but not enough to buy yours! ;-)

Buy back? Who would want them and value them? See your original dealer if you think "back" is the operative word - your local (former) Daewoo dealer may have once had a sympathy ploy to give you a (fake) sizable trade in towards a new car they need to unload.

Resale wise, a Daewoo holds it's value as well as a Ford or Chevy pickup truck - did you know that?

Value wise, I'll keep mine until 100,000 miles has spun past, then consider the market at that time (any Subaru with all wheel drive with antilock brakes would get my vote today).

When you say "trying to deal with ...", is there more about that? What are you "trying to deal with"? Problems? Or "mere" worries"? Tell us more! I'll share this with a few Daewoo Yahoo! Groups (see the address list above) and you can check in there to see what they say!


Love and hugs,

Peter Blaise Monahon
Daewoo Believer
peterblaise@yahoo.com
http://www.peterblaise.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/daewoomatizclub/
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http://www.geocities.com/daewoolanosservicemanual/
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Member:  Mike Dameron (one1flygeo)
Date:  December 22, 2003
Time:  8:42 PM
Subject:  Re: Chevie Metro
Message:  That is correct. The Metro used to be sold under the "Geo" name badge until 1998 I think. Geo was a subsidiary of Chevy. They dropped the Geo name and made all the cars Chevrolets!




--- In sportsubcompacts@yahoogroups.com, "festivamanforever" wrote:
> Well actually there is a chevy metro.From my recolection it is the
> newier ones.


Member:  Mike Dameron (one1flygeo)
Date:  December 23, 2003
Time:  8:13 PM
Subject:  Searching For Headlight wires
Message:  I have a 96 Geo Metro with sealed beam headlights. I just bought headlight assemblies off of a 2001 Swift. Unfortunately, I don't have the wires that connect to the lights, as mine are different. Does anyone have a Metro/Swift (98-01) that they are parting out. All I need is the wires w/ the other end of the connectors. Then I can simply splice the wires together. Thanks!


Mike (Philly) 96 Metro Coupe w/ 3-Banger See my Metro @ http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/387394



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Member:  Jason Bright (satanpoohh)
Date:  July 16, 2004
Time:  2:40 PM
Subject:  Thinking about buying a 92 Festiva
Message:  Ok, I'm thinking about buying a 92 Festiva a guy just 2 houses up from me has. It's an auto, with only 99000 kms on the odometer. He's asking 1000 (Canadian) for it, it needs a battery and possibly some tires. I'm not sure what trim level it is, as it was painted once and I didn't see the badging, but I think it's a GL Sport because it's got the rear wiper and the little rooftop spoiler thing. Is $1000 a good price for this? Also, what kind of fuel mileage could I expect to get out of this car? I plan on keeping this thing, assuming I buy it, stock as much as possible and I'm hoping it will last me a few years.
Here's a few pics of it

http://www.geocities.com/satanpoohh/upload_195570.txt
http://www.geocities.com/satanpoohh/upload_195571.txt
http://www.geocities.com/satanpoohh/upload_195572.txt
http://www.geocities.com/satanpoohh/upload_195578.txt
http://www.geocities.com/satanpoohh/upload_195579.txt
http://www.geocities.com/satanpoohh/upload_195580.txt


Member:  pkindsch
Date:  October 14, 2004
Time:  8:38 PM
Subject:  who wants to sell a festiva?
Message:  [continued] ...to a guy in South CA?

Where is everybody from? I am at a complete loss, gents, to find myself a festiva that runs and possibly has a manual transmission.
It's been a sad story these past few weeks - I don't even see festivas on the road anymore.
I would seriously love to own a 90s model festiva, though, but no one in San Diego has listed anything.

If you know someone in the area or you have a lead, e-mail me. Or recommend me to anyone with a festiva that wants to sell for less than 1000.
Any suggestions?


-Paul
duplicateman@hotmail.com


Member:  Stacey (hippieslh)
Date:  January 22, 2005
Time:  12:41 PM
Subject:  Body Kit???
Message:  Hello group. I have a 1996 Hyundai Accent and was wondering if any member here knew where a person could purchase a body/ground effects kit for the mentioned car. I am looking for something that would be a direct fit but will also welcome any inforamtion regarding a possible universal kit or mod's than make be done to a different kit available. Thanks for your time and you may either post here or e-mail me privately.


Peace,
Stacey
hippieslh@yahoo.com


Member:  Mike (boostinjdm)
Date:  January 23, 2005
Time:  11:35 AM
Subject:  nissan nx 2000
Message:  I have a 1993 nissan NX 2000 that hit a deer. This car was near perfect before the accident the car is still driveable, but due to front end damage I would not put it on the street. Just got new tranny a few months before the accident. Interior is perfect. I am looking to sell entire car for parts, or just one piece at a time. I hate to take it in for scrap, but that's what I'll have to do if I can't find a good home for it. Please, if you need any, I repeat, any parts off this car, please email me at Boostinjdm@yahoo.com. We can work something out. I am located in northwest Iowa.

thanks,
mike


Member:  Mr. Dabblehand (unclefloyd1979)
Date:  February 6, 2005
Time:  3:36 PM
Subject:  Greetings! New Member Here!
Message:  Hi, folks, just joined the group.

I am in sort of a situation. My 91 Hyundai Excel is broken. I took it to a shop and they are saying it needs a new engine. I hope they are wrong. You guys are experts, though. Could it be another problem?

I'll describe the details. It all started about two months ago. I was driving to work one night, and the engine just started to lose power. I was on the freeway, and within just a few minutes the speed decreased from 65 mph to about 20 mph, and it stayed there until I got off the freeway. No matter how hard I pushed the pedal to the floor.

I didn't have a AAA card, and I couldn't afford a tow truck, so I had to drive the thing all the way home (15 miles) in the condition it was in, on city streets, at midnight, to the far right of the road with the emergency flashers on the whole way. Getting up the inclines was a bitch, but I somehow managed, and once I got on level ground I managed to get it up to about 30 mph, and it never completely died.

The next day I changed the spark plugs. No dice. A few days later I changed the fuel filter. No dice. the car remained as screwed up as ever. I let the car sit there for a couple more weeks, and did nothing with it (couldn't afford to. I had to call in "break down" to work several times). Finally one day I just decided to bite the bullet and drive it around the block. I discovered that getting it going and making it through intersections after stopping was the hardest part, but once I got it to take off it really wasn't so bad. Within half a minute or so I could get up to maybe 25-30 mph and at one point I actually had it up to forty. It was obvious to me that it could never be a freeway vehicle again, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to drive it locally as long as I babied it, and I would have to avoid the hills.

Finally one day I decided to drive it to a local shop. The news wasn't good. The mechanics gave me a bunch of technical mumbo jumbo, much of which I couldn't understand and I have forgotten the details to. In short, they said, "You need a new engine. You'll be better off if you just find another car. And DON'T GET A HYUNDAI. They suck." They gave me a discount on the diagnostic, but that was the best news I got.

Driving the piece of crap home, I already knew that there sure as hell wasn't going to be any new engine. Then I just said to myself, "To hell with it. I'll ride the bus to school, and just keep driving this car locally until it finally breaks down completely," and that's exactly what I did. It lasted about another week, then one day when I was on my way home from a Taco Bell interview it just died at an intersection, and that was it. A cop stopped behind me and was nice enough to push me back into the parking lot with his cruiser. Fortunately I was only about two blocks from my house when this happened. Two nights later I had my dad push me home in my other vehicle, a 2000 Ford Ranger. No troubles for the most part, but now I can no longer open the hatch because it got dented in by the front end of my truck. No great loss. I suppose I can just get my stuff out of the back by pulling out the seats.

Like I said, they told me I need a new engine. In retrospect, though, this shop I took it too was actually a "Smog And Tune" shop. Maybe they didn't know what they were talking about. If what they said is true, however, the car is going to have to go to the junk yard, since there's no way I'm going to spend around $2,000.00 to have a new engine put in. This would really be a drag since I just bought the car back in October, and I had to go through a whole lot of trouble to it smogged, and street worthy, and acquire license plates and a pink slip for it. At least I never added it to my insurance policy.

Here's the problem. I have a second vehicle, the truck I mentioned earlier, but my dad needs it to go to and from work every day. So, I'm now stuck at home with nothing. Fortunately I work fairly close to home at a fast food restaurant during the week, but they are giving me piss poor hours. I also work on the weekends as a security guard, but I'm not getting good hours from THEM either, because accounts are few and far between and I can only work when I have access to the truck. Basically, between my two jobs I am not even getting forty hours a week. I'm getting about 30, and sometimes even less.

I hope and pray that there could just be something else wrong with the truck. Something simpler, and cheaper the fix then replacing the damn engine. I'm hoping I can get a second opinion.

What do you guys think? Is there an alternative? Could it be something else?

Thanks in advance,

Travis


Member:  prayingdvl
Date:  April 19, 2005
Time:  10:48 AM
Subject:  Bigger Engine
Message:  Hey guys.. Hope someone can help me out here.. I have a 93 Tercel.. Anyone know if it possible to get a different higher horsepower engine in it? If so what size engine should i be looking for.. Something that would fit without much modification.. Maybe a Civic engine??

Hit me up.. Thanks

Moose


Member:  Todd (bigdaddy6990)
Date:  October 14, 2005
Time:  1:57 PM
Subject:  '92 Nissan NX1600
Message:  Hello all,

My g/f has a '92 Nissan NX1600 that she wants to get rid of. It has t-tops and an auto. There is approx. 68,000 miles on it. The timing belt broke about two years ago, and from what she told me it bent some valves. We want to get it out of the yard. Anybody interested? I can be contacted via e-mail at bigdaddy6990@yahoo.com.

Todd


Member:  Bill Crittenden (luckybugweb)
Date:  December 17, 2005
Time:  7:05 PM
Subject:  Hello Sport Subcompacts Members...
Message:  The owner returns!

Well, it's been a long, long time. After getting a new e-mail address and moving and changing a lot of stuff around, I lost the password to accentgt97. It bothered me for a while, not being able to do anything on the groups.

I finally found it again! Which means I'm back. Wow, I almost forgot about the groups I started so long ago. I went off and started a few websites. One website I started a few days ago is about cars, http://www.carsandracingstuff.com

I also changed group ownership so that my current e-mail address will be the group owner.

I'm gonna let the groups go on anyway, but if anyone wants to join the forum at Cars and Racing Stuff, I'll be there.


Member:  glitterchick20016
Date:  April 2, 2006
Time:  11:54 PM
Subject:  help!
Message:  I recently purchased a 2002 Kia Rio and have had nothing but problems with it from day one. Two weeks after I bought it, the transmission had to be completely rebuilt and now i'm hearing some horrible noise in the back of the car, which im asking all the kia rio owners, do you hear the same thing?


It's only when I reach 50 mph and higher. It sounded like the muffler, but the dealership said all Kias are loud at certain speeds. Also, the steering wheel shakes SO bad once I hit 65, that I cant even really go fast on the highway.

The only good thing about the car for me is that its so small its easy to park and its GREAT on gas.

anyone have any comments for me on the vehicle and if you experience any of the noises, shakes I have with my car?

thanks!


Member:  Bill Crittenden (luckybugweb)
Date:  April 7, 2006
Time:  1:24 AM
Subject:  Re: help!
Message:  Sorry to hear about your problems. As for the steering wheel shaking, your front wheels might be out of balance. Can't guess as to what the noise could be without hearing it, but if it only does it at certain speeds, then it's something to do with the wheels, rather than the engine. An engine noise would happen based on engine speed, and this is vehicle speed. Front wheel drive car, and noise coming from the rear...maybe wheel bearing? How many miles does the car have on it?

--- In sportsubcompacts@yahoogroups.com, "glitterchick20016" wrote:
>
> I recently purchased a 2002 Kia Rio and have had nothing but problems
> with it from day one. Two weeks after I bought it, the transmission
> had to be completely rebuilt and now i'm hearing some horrible noise
> in the back of the car, which im asking all the kia rio owners, do you
> hear the same thing?
>
>
> It's only when I reach 50 mph and higher. It sounded like the muffler,
> but the dealership said all Kias are loud at certain speeds. Also, the
> steering wheel shakes SO bad once I hit 65, that I cant even really go
> fast on the highway.
>
> The only good thing about the car for me is that its so small its easy
> to park and its GREAT on gas.
>
> anyone have any comments for me on the vehicle and if you experience
> any of the noises, shakes I have with my car?
>
> thanks!
>


Member:  purplexs650d
Date:  July 27, 2006
Time:  7:22 AM
Subject:  The next 'GoKart'
Message:  Hello all...

The first 'GoKart' (as my youngest son dubbed it), was an '88 Ford Festiva that I bought for $500. I put two new pistons in it (one was scuffed, the other had a 1/2" chunk broken out of the top and was cracked)and a set of standard rings to fix the extreme oil blow-by issues it had. I was getting 42 mpg on the average before replacing the rings and pistons...but also having to add a quart of oil every 40 miles. On the bright side, NOBODY tailgated me. :=D

After my eldest son totaled the Festiva, I was without a little car again. Now, high gas prices give me the reason/excuse to buy another. I found a '91 Hyundai Excel 2dr Hatchback that was parked at 174k because the owner lost the dipstick while driving, along with much of her oil. So I'm looking at doing some major motor work, which doesn't scare me much, as I've worked on stuff for a while now. Best part is the price-we're still in the negotiating stage, but it will be below $200.

My question for the group is: where is a good place to get the right side window glass? It has been busted out.

Thanks!

Kent White


Member:  Bill Crittenden (luckybugweb)
Date:  July 28, 2006
Time:  2:03 PM
Subject:  Re: The next 'GoKart'
Message:  I remember the old Excel. I used to drive an '88 sedan, that was my mom's car when I was learning to drive.

My best guess would be an auto parts junkyard. The old Excels, sometimes they ran good and sometimes they died an early death. But glass doesn't rust, so you've got a good chance of finding it in good condition.

Some auto parts stores, I think NAPA does it, have a national parts database for finding rare stuff that isn't stocked in all stores.

Other than that, I'd say call an auto glass company and let them do the footwork. But it'll probably cost more than the rest of the car!

Good luck! What color is the car?


Member:  purplexs650d
Date:  July 29, 2006
Time:  9:40 AM
Subject:  Re: The next 'GoKart'
Message:  The Excel I'm looking at buying is light blue metallic, gray interior. Body is pretty straight, save for the usual little dents. Talked to the seller, he is agreeable to a price of %150, so the deal should be done by Tuesday. I'm taking a tarp with me so on the way to work tonight, I can cover up the door with the broken window...we are expecting rain tonight, and really for the next few days.

Planning to go over Monday (my day off) and work on it a bit...look seriously at what needs to be done to get it going. I'll probably go ahead and rent a car trailer from U-haul to get it as I don't want to start it up before checking it over completely, but at the same time I don't want to leave it where it is lest any more damage be done to it.

Kent White

--- In sportsubcompacts@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Crittenden" wrote:
>
> I remember the old Excel. I used to drive an '88 sedan, that was my
> mom's car when I was learning to drive.
>
> My best guess would be an auto parts junkyard. The old Excels,
> sometimes they ran good and sometimes they died an early death. But
> glass doesn't rust, so you've got a good chance of finding it in good
> condition.
>
> Some auto parts stores, I think NAPA does it, have a national parts
> database for finding rare stuff that isn't stocked in all stores.
>
> Other than that, I'd say call an auto glass company and let them do the
> footwork. But it'll probably cost more than the rest of the car!
>
> Good luck! What color is the car?
>


Member:  Bill Crittenden (luckybugweb)
Date:  July 29, 2006
Time:  12:06 PM
Subject:  Re: The next 'GoKart'
Message:  That's the color my mother's was. Except I don't remember the interior all that well. But I remember that light blue. I also remember getting pulled over because my friend said something about not being able to spin the tires in an Excel and I just HAD to prove him wrong...in front of an unmarked squad car (I was 16!).

Once you get it fixed up, if you take any pictures I'd love to post them to the carsandracingstuff.com Encyclopedia. I don't have any photos of our old Excel.

Just e-mail them to admin@carsandracingstuff.com with the message, "I'd like you to put these on the site" or "Photos for the site" or something like that in the message.

--- In sportsubcompacts@yahoogroups.com, "purplexs650d" wrote:
>
> The Excel I'm looking at buying is light blue metallic, gray interior.
> Body is pretty straight, save for the usual little dents. Talked to


Member:  Tom P. (tgpii)
Date:  September 7, 2006
Time:  8:02 AM
Subject:  Who, what, were, when, why, how, compact cars!
Message:  What is the cheapest/lowest priced car on the USA market. I am not talking just the MSRP, but thre real price they are going for.(after rebates, talking to dealer ect)?

Tom P.


Member:  amnesobel
Date:  September 16, 2006
Time:  7:53 AM
Subject:  MAKE AN OFFER Daewoo Lanos Located in FL
Message:  PICTURES AVAILABLE IN THE PHOTO SECTION. 2000 Daewoo Lanos 4 dr. 4 cyclinder Automatic AS/IS. 92,502 miles Needs work But I don't know what it needs. It is located in Lehigh Acres, FL. e-mail me for a picture. It is burgandy with a grey interior. This car has been siting in our driveway for 1 year. Due to inactivity it will no longer turn over.

Mecanical Work Performed with reciepts for proof.

9/3/04- Thermostat replaced, Radiator flushed $150.00 worth of work

4/5/05 new tires, TIMING BELT, Engine Gasket, 8 Exhaust Valves, 16 Exhaust Seals, $1,200.00 worth of work performed.


If you have any questions about the car that I can answer e-mail me...


Member:  Bill Crittenden (luckybugweb)
Date:  September 22, 2006
Time:  1:05 PM
Subject:  Re: Who, what, were, when, why, how, compact cars!
Message:  I don't know...my guess would be the Kia Rio, based on some rebates I saw a while back. Everything else is new or just redesigned...the Aveo, Versa, Yaris, Accent.

--- In sportsubcompacts@yahoogroups.com, "Tom P." wrote:
>
> What is the cheapest/lowest priced car on the USA market. I am not
> talking just the MSRP, but thre real price they are going for.(after
> rebates, talking to dealer ect)?
>
> Tom P.
>


Member:  Tom P. (tgpii)
Date:  November 2, 2006
Time:  7:35 AM
Subject:  Less like what? I test drove an aveo and kia, the aveo seem better
Message:  Less like what? I test drove an aveo and kia, the aveo seem better built. What less does the kia have? Anyone know why the 4 door was redone and or why the 4 door svm is gone and or is the 5 door due for a redo. After rebates ect what should I pay for a white svm 5 door? I only seen like 2 whtie 5 door. Most are grey. I seen a few black and blue. But who wants black with no ac lol. When I get back from basic tranning I will get the recent college grad and military discounts lol. Anything else I should know about the aveo? After rebates is the aveo still the cheapest? THANK YOU!



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